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I've been looking through other Dan Savage videos. This talks about Fox News' Brit Hume and his lame attempt to proselytize Tiger Woods.

A question I've often asked in frustration: "Where are the moderate, liberal, progressive Christians....Why don't they speak up?"

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noelleleithe
Jan. 1st, 2011 02:25 am (UTC)
"Where are the moderate, liberal, progressive Christians....Why don't they speak up?"

There's a very simple answer to this, actually.

We do. Regularly. And the vast majority of the time, we are ignored or shouted down by both sides. The far right says we're "false" Christians, and the far left says we're no different from far right.

I can't begin to count the number of times I've seen people lump all Christians in with the wingnuts. (About the only group that gets put into a separate category is the Phelps family, because everyone know they're complete nutjobs.) It's a never-ending battle, and we can't scream and yell and stomp our feet about it, because that makes us look like the people we're trying to refute. Rational behavior doesn't sell, and arguing with people only makes things worse.

The best thing most of us can do is set a good example. That's what I try to do. Obviously I'm not always going to succeed, but I'm one more voice than there would be otherwise.

And Bret Hume is an idiot. But you knew that already.
bonnie_halfelvn
Jan. 1st, 2011 02:38 am (UTC)
True. Everything you said. And I try to do the same.

Here's the problem: We have plenty of individuals speaking up. What we are lacking is more Christian entities speaking up. We always hear from the wingnuts and about the Catholic church's official position about whatever issue of the day. With a homophobic, pedophilia-ignoring (or worse, saying it's not really that bad a thing) pope, not much of the official position is worth listening to.

But the other mainline entities are silent. Why? Because too many of them (including the United Methodist Church, of which I am a part) haven't changed their own official positions and policies on gays and the church. Just like most Republicans, they know deep down that gay rights, including marriage, will happen. But they are afraid to be among the leaders of the charge. Instead, they let the radicals hijack the discussion, leading non-Christians to believe that we're all like that.

It's pretty bad when I hesitite to donate money to a "Christian" cause because I don't know what kind of Christians they are, but that's where I am now.

Edited at 2011-01-01 02:40 am (UTC)
noelleleithe
Jan. 1st, 2011 03:06 am (UTC)
Honestly? I think in a lot of cases, they're waiting for the church leaders to die off.

Seriously, we all know the mainstream religions are run by old men. The younger people are generally much more progressive, but they don't have enough power yet to force change. The things that have been done have been tiny steps, and much more at the church level than at the higher steps up the hierarchy.

And some people (like me) don't even attend church regularly because it's so difficult to find one that comes anywhere close to matching what I believe (I'm nominally United Methodist, too). But that means we're out of the decision-making process entirely, so it's a lovely catch-22.

Sigh.
bonnie_halfelvn
Jan. 1st, 2011 03:10 am (UTC)
If I didn't have the support of a very progressive pastor, I would probably not be attending, either.
mishlai
Jan. 1st, 2011 05:30 pm (UTC)
I definitely notice and appreciate the moderate voices. Savage was quick to deflect Olbermann's comparison to jihadists, and that is the kind of reasonable fairness that is needed in these heated discussions. I certainly appreciate Bonnie's posts. If you have a moderate voice, please use it.
earendilgrey
Jan. 1st, 2011 03:05 am (UTC)
I believe the extremists have locked them all in a room somewhere.
bonnie_halfelvn
Jan. 1st, 2011 03:11 am (UTC)
They have the key. They are too afraid to use it.
mishlai
Jan. 1st, 2011 05:33 pm (UTC)
Dan Savage is just fantastic. I love everything he says.

In contrast, Keith Olbermann makes me throw up in my mouth a little, even though I'm pretty liberal on most things. His rhetoric is melodramatic and disingenuous. We get enough of that from the Limbaugh and his ilk.
bonnie_halfelvn
Jan. 1st, 2011 07:23 pm (UTC)
Indeed. I don't watch much Olbermann. But yeah, melodrama doesn't help the situation much.

His lecture to NOM and California voters after Prop 8 passed was priceless, however. I transcribed it and read it word for word at a rally a week later.
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