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Brian Kraemer's Journey Home

This is a series of three interviews that a gay Christian named Brian Kraemer gave on a conservative Christian station back in March.

The first part features just Kraemer and the show's host. It is an extremely civil discussion and highlights the gap between the concept that gay people are OK as they are in the eyes of God, and the concept that a literal translation of the Bible clearly states that homosexual behavior is a sin.

Kraemer tells the story of his sixteen year journey as an "ex-gay" Christian to his self-acceptance as a gay Christian man.

In parts 2 and 3, an Anglican Episcopal priest brings the other side of the argument (Anglican Episcopals broke off with the mainline Episcopal church because they allow openly gay clergy).

Despite the fact that this discussion remains civil, it infuriates me to hear the arguments the priest brings. I could not have this discussion without raising my blood pressure, yet Kraemer remains calm and reasonable in the face of the objections to his "lifestyle." and fear of the "gay agenda." Each objection is parried with reason and logic and, yes, scripture.

The priest's talking points become increasingly far-fetched and unreasonable, until they degenerate into the "slippery slope" and "Christians are being persecuted/will be forced by the government to marry gays." Arguments that are completely ridiculous.

So have a listen and know that no matter which side you're on, it will probably give you something to think about.

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ravennaneroon
Sep. 14th, 2011 03:37 pm (UTC)
Thanks for sharing that. My same-sex partner and I were married in CA by our best friend who is also a Wiccan priestess. I hope I'm just as calm and composed when I have to tell the IRS to go to a certain temperature-extreme place if they decide to deny our claim for the adoption credit because we're not a male-female couple.
bonnie_halfelvn
Sep. 14th, 2011 04:48 pm (UTC)
I don't know how that works federally. I think for the most part, any tax breaks might have to be claimed by only one person, but you should ask a professional to be sure.

If you were married in CA, you already know some of the unfair tax implications, since you obviously have been married for a few years.
ravennaneroon
Sep. 14th, 2011 06:44 pm (UTC)
R claimed the credit for my daughter, and she successfully claimed it in 2009, but because the rules changed for 2010 for how much you can get back at once, every adoption credit claim got audited. They initially denied it b/c they said the credit wasn't available for surrogacy. We fought back- there was no surrogacy b/c I never surrendered my rights to my daughter. However, the only other way the credit isn't available is if the adopting parent is married to the legal guardian of the child (in this case, me). So the IRS is in a pickle where they either have to give us the money or recognize our marriage. Win either way.
bonnie_halfelvn
Sep. 14th, 2011 11:41 pm (UTC)
Ah, they've painted themselves into a corner. Please LMK how this turns out.
mishlai
Sep. 21st, 2011 03:22 am (UTC)
That... is awesome.
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